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851 Postings, 6584 Tage meluSorry , wollte niemanden aus dem Dauerschlaf

 
  
    #6576
1
05.06.07 21:07
reissen ,denn es gibt im Moment nichts was den Kurs explodieren lassen könnte.Nur das Übliche.
Bleibe aber noch drin.  Tschüssi



Oil prices, supply fears revive coal-to-fuel drive

Barbara Lewis

Tuesday, June 05, 2007

Fears over energy security and high oil prices have rekindled global interest in technology, once vital to the siege economies of Nazi Germany and apartheid South Africa, that converts coal to transport fuel......


http://www.thestandard.com.hk/...art_id=46038&sid=13913746&con_type=1  

8541 Postings, 7220 Tage kleinlieschenkann mal jemand den toni "begrünen"?

 
  
    #6577
2
05.06.07 21:32
Von Ihnen kommen bereits 7 der letzten 20 (oder weniger) positiven Bewertungen für tornadotoni.

Oder hab ich da das alleinige Patent drauf? ;-)

Gruß ka-el  

574 Postings, 6849 Tage tornadotonikommste nähe Wuppertal?

 
  
    #6578
1
05.06.07 21:38

dann können wir Hefe und Weizen zu uns nehmen im grünen?

 

11123 Postings, 7165 Tage SWayich würde Euch beiden eine Zitrone zum Weizen

 
  
    #6579
1
05.06.07 21:41
empfehlen, Cola oder B-Saft. Hefe zum Weizen bildet ein klassische "M", "W", "B" Formation aus. ;)  

574 Postings, 6849 Tage tornadotonihm das führt aber zu einer großen blase

 
  
    #6580
1
05.06.07 21:51
die nach unten hin zu konsolidieren droht!  

1254 Postings, 6937 Tage LichtblickGegenüber dem S&P 500 haben wir

 
  
    #6581
1
05.06.07 22:27
die letzte Steigung noch vor uns, so wie es bei 6575 aussieht,
2- 3  Monate zeitversetzt.  

574 Postings, 6849 Tage tornadotoniDie verfli X te 7

 
  
    #6582
2
05.06.07 22:37
Wer Lust hat schaut mal genau auf meinem Chart...

Es ist keine Schlafenszeit, wenn man im Bereich der 7 kommt sondern die Zeit um besonders wach zu bleiben!

bei uns die 7, bei den Amis die 10

ps. wer jetzt noch aussteigt für den gilt "säge niemals das Sprungbrett durch auf dem Du sitzt"................ oder " toni nimm die rosa brille wieder ab,die 7 hält nicht"
........
 
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8541 Postings, 7220 Tage kleinlieschenTT - bist nicht viel bei Ariva unterwegs, was?!

 
  
    #6583
05.06.07 22:48
Ich trinke grünen Tee in Berlin :-)

Gruß ka-el  
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574 Postings, 6849 Tage tornadotoniLichtblick!

 
  
    #6584
05.06.07 22:51
Wenn alle großen Märkte steigen ziehen sie rechts uns links auch ein paar interessante AG mit!
das sollte nur die performance  zeigen welche möglich geworden wäre, ohne große news usw...

und wie schon erwähnt hätte man in Silv.Tal mal lieber den Drucker ausgelassen wäre das wohl auch der fall gewesen!  

574 Postings, 6849 Tage tornadotoni6583.

 
  
    #6585
05.06.07 22:59
ne nicht so wirklich! Ok Berlin ... pfui grüner Tee, dann lieber das andere grüne Zeug bei Euch " Berliner Weisse"  

30936 Postings, 8841 Tage ZwergnaseDie mistige Aktiendruckerei

 
  
    #6586
05.06.07 23:01
gefällt mir auch überhaupt nicht. Andererseits ist's mir zu gefährlich auf fallende Kurse zu setzen. Würde ich morgen rausgehen, wüsste ich bei meinem Glück, dass es spätestens übermorgen rasant nach Norden geht. Also bleib ich lieber drin (bin halt irgendwie doch 'n Spieler). Gr., ZN  

8541 Postings, 7220 Tage kleinlieschenDas Damoklesschwert in Form noch nicht

 
  
    #6587
05.06.07 23:28
registrieter Aktien schwebt ja auch noch über dem Kurs :-(
Heute hatta sich in USA noch gehalten -
sieht aber nicht gut aus.

Ich frag mich auch, ob die 370k in ff wirklich zum Verkauf standen,
oder ob da einfach Verkaufsdruck ausgeübt wurde???

Gruß ka-el  

851 Postings, 6584 Tage meluLeider , einer von uns

 
  
    #6588
05.06.07 23:52
Schade ..... :~((

(Bitte keine Bewertung )

U.S. Senator, coal mining advocate Craig Thomas dead at 74

Wyoming Senator Craig Thomas, who represented the Powder River Basin coal mining region of the United States, died late Monday night after a long battle with leukemia.
Author: Dorothy Kosich
Posted:  Tuesday , 05 Jun 2007

RENO, NV -

U.S. Senator Craig Thomas, R-Wyoming, a strong advocate of domestic coal-to-liquids programs, died Monday night after a battle with leukemia, which had been diagnosed in November 2006.


http://www.mineweb.co.za/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/...d=21768&sn=Detail


 

851 Postings, 6584 Tage meluLeider , Einer von uns :-((

 
  
    #6589
06.06.07 09:09
Wollte es euch nur mitteilen ..Der Kampf wird aber auch ohne ihn weitergehen.
Bleibe aber weiter an Ball .  

 Grüsse



CHAMPIONED CTL FUEL PROGRAMS
U.S. Senator, coal mining advocate Craig Thomas dead at 74

Wyoming Senator Craig Thomas, who represented the Powder River Basin coal mining region of the United States, died late Monday night after a long battle with leukemia.
Author: Dorothy Kosich
Posted:  Tuesday , 05 Jun 2007

RENO, NV -

U.S. Senator Craig Thomas, R-Wyoming, a strong advocate of domestic coal-to-liquids programs, died Monday night after a battle with leukemia, which had been diagnosed in November 2006.

Thomas was originally elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1989 to fill the seat vacated by future Vice President Dick Cheney after Cheney was appointed U.S. Secretary of Defense by then-President George H.W. Bush. .......

http://www.mineweb.co.za/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/...d=21768&sn=Detail  

574 Postings, 6849 Tage tornadotoniSpieglein, Spieglein an der

 
  
    #6590
7
06.06.07 11:40
wenn man sich das so betrachtet... und bedenkt das 2006 der Euro bei 1,22 war!

Die grauen linien sind Gann Linien, also nicht Wahllos gezogene!

man stelle sich vor dieser rebound würde stattfinden...  
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11123 Postings, 7165 Tage SWayToni. jetzt sag ich mal was, (endlich ich weiss),

 
  
    #6591
06.06.07 12:00
der Chart gefällt mir. Frag mich nicht warum aber genau so wird es kommen.

Genau dort wo der grüne Pfeil die obere gestrichelte Linie trifft kannst Du ein Lot fällen und um das Datum herum +/-3 Tage wird eine esnprechende News kommen die das Alles rechtfertigt dann werden einige wieder aussteigen aber Ende Juli kommen weitere News die richtig einschlagen.

So und dann wird es bunt... ;)  

474 Postings, 6585 Tage ErbseplusÄhm...

 
  
    #6592
06.06.07 14:02
Ich hoffe das zwar auch, aber ich glaube net das wir so scnell nochmal nach oben kommen. Die Neu-Emission hat den Kurs verwaschen und ich bin da schon etwas entäuscht... Zumal ich ds letzte mal bei 0,118 nachgekauft hatte... Jedesmal wwenns so aussieht als ob der Kurs nachoben geht, fällt er wieder nach nem kurzen Ansatz...

Da müssen einfach mal News raus, aber nich irgendwelche sondern mal echte News....  

474 Postings, 6585 Tage ErbseplusAndere Sache...

 
  
    #6593
06.06.07 14:43
Hab bei der DAB  Bank nur 50 RT Kurse zur Verfügung am Tag, wo kann ich noch günstig REALTIME Kurse abfragen?  

8541 Postings, 7220 Tage kleinlieschendiesmal häppchenweise & kursschonend

 
  
    #6594
06.06.07 22:38
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Gruß ka-el

@Erbse - mehr traden - dann haste 1000 RT`s  

574 Postings, 6849 Tage tornadotonidanke für Eure Teilnahme...

 
  
    #6595
07.06.07 15:50
heute mache ich nen ruhigen, aber morgen werde ich wieder was zaubern!

wehe heute +30% im amiland wenn ich im Biergarten sitze......... wehe  

851 Postings, 6584 Tage melusenior air force officials emphasize need for long

 
  
    #6596
1
07.06.07 20:17
senior air force officials emphasize need for long CTL contracting authority

http://www.futurecoalfuels.org/news.asp  

851 Postings, 6584 Tage meluIst das neu?

 
  
    #6597
4
07.06.07 23:02
- ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY STATEMENT --

auf Silv. Homepage

http://www.silverado.com/



 

851 Postings, 6584 Tage meluRohe Übersetzung :

 
  
    #6598
3
07.06.07 23:10
Silverado wird am Beitragen zu einer wohlhabenden Wirtschaft durch die stützbare Entwicklung der Naturresourcen während restliches schützendes der Gesundheit seiner  Arbeiter und der Öffentlichkeit und am natürlichen Klima, durch kluge Führung unseres Landes, Luft und Wassers festgelegt. Wir erkennen, daß Grundlage zu dieser Verpflichtung die folgenden Grundregeln sind:

* Beibehalten Klima-, Gesundheit und Sicherheit Standards, die Gefahren auf den Niveaus herabsetzen, die so niedrig sind wie recht erreichbar;

* Verhindern von von Verunreinigung durch die Anwendung der ökonomisch durchführbaren, nachgewiesenen Technologien, der Verfahren und der Prozesse;

* Den zugelassenen und regelnden Befolgunganforderungen entsprechen und übersteigend;

* Festlegung an einem Klimaprogramm des kontinuierlichen Berichts und der Verbesserung.

In der Unterstützung dieser Grundregeln behalten wir diese Klimapolitik als Oberseite-Priorität Managementthema bei und wenden Klimamanagementsysteme an (EMS) die mit den 14001 Richtlinien des International Organization for Standardization (ISO), einschließlich die Struktur, die Planung, die Praxis, die Verfahren und die Prozesse sich anpassen, die für sich Entwickeln notwendig sind, unsere Klimapolitik einführend, erzielen, wiederholen und beibehalten. Zu diesem Zweck werden wir:

O leiten die sorgfältige und ununterbrochene Überwachung aller unserer Betriebe und ihrer Auswirkungen auf das Klima, die menschliche Gesundheit und die Sicherheit;

O kennzeichnen und dokumentieren jene Aspekte unserer Tätigkeiten, die haben, oder konnten angemessen erwartet werden, Klimaauswirkungen zu haben;

O kennzeichnen systematisch alle relevante zugelassene und regelnde Anforderungen und Industriestandards von Praxis und ehren eine fortwährende Verpflichtung der Befolgung;

O gesetzte Klimazielsetzungen und Ziele, die unsere gesamte Klimapolitik adressieren, Klimaauswirkungen herabsetzen oder beseitigen und entsprechen oder übersteigen den zugelassenen und regelnden Anforderungen;

O Monitor und Maßleistung gegen unsere Klimazielsetzungen und Ziele und lenken routinemäßig diese Informationen zurück in unseren EMS;

O entwickeln sich und zutreffen technisch geprüft und ökonomisch durchführbare Masse durch workplans, welches Dokument unsere Klima, zugelassen und regelnde Ziele und wie sie erzielt werden sollen und diese workplans mit unseren Angestellten verständigen Sie;

O wenden Klimamanagementpraxis an, die flexibel und zu den Änderungen in den Produktion Prozessen, in den regelnden Anforderungen und in anderen Faktoren anpassungsfähig sind, die unsere Betriebe beeinflussen können;

O verbessern fortwährend unsere Klimaprogramme durch regelmäßige Managementberichte, die die mögliche Notwendigkeit adressieren, politische Richtlinien, Zielsetzungen, Ziele und andere Elemente unseres EMS zu ändern.

(Klingt jedenfalls nicht schlecht)

tschau  

1254 Postings, 6937 Tage Lichtblick construction of new clean coal plants.

 
  
    #6599
6
07.06.07 23:52
As the House and Senate begin to consider options for an energy package, what is the best policy tool to spur the development and construction of new clean coal power plants? During today’s OnPoint, Bob Sussman, a partner at Latham & Watkins and a former deputy administrator at EPA, and Ken Berlin, head of the environmental practice at Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, discuss their new report, "Global Warming and the Future of Coal: The Path to Carbon Capture and Storage." Sussman and Berlin suggest an emissions performance standard for coal plants as the most effective way to expand the use of carbon capture and storage technology. The authors say a cap-and-trade plan, although a positive step, would not be sufficient in bringing clean coal to the forefront. Sussman and Berlin also urge Congress to consider offering more incentives for the construction of new clean coal plants.


http://www.eande.tv/rss/2007/06/07/
Transcript
Monica Trauzzi: Welcome to OnPoint. I'm Monica Trauzzi. Joining me today are Ken Berlin, head of the environmental practice at Skadden, Arps, and Bob Sussman, a partner at the D.C. law firm of Latham & Watkins and a former deputy administrator of the EPA. Thanks for coming on the show.

Bob Sussman: Our pleasure.

Ken Berlin: Our pleasure.

Monica Trauzzi: Bob, you and Ken just released a new report on clean coal along with the Center for American Progress and it's called "Global Warming and the Future of Coal: The Path to Carbon Capture and Storage." Why did you set out to write this report? We've see many reports on clean coal recently. The MIT clean coal report is probably the most well-known. How does this report contribute to the overall discussion?

Bob Sussman: This report addresses an important issue that none of the other reports have really addressed, which is what are the best policy tools to achieve deployment of carbon capture and storage technology as soon as possible? There's been a lot of discussion of the technology itself, a lot of interest in the technology. But nobody really has asked, what's the best way to get this technology in place? Particularly on new coal plants where we're expecting to see an increase in new plant construction and a corresponding increase in CO2 emissions.

Monica Trauzzi: And I want to walk through the different policy tools that you analyze in the report. Ken, which policy would you consider to be the most effective in spurring wide-scale implementation of clean coal?

Ken Berlin: We looked at a series of policies, most of which involve a fair amount of uncertainty about what the price of coal would be. We looked at the cap and trade system, which we can talk about, we looked at a carbon tax, and in each of those cases we had concluded that we would not be able to effectively address the question of getting companies to build plants that capture and sequester unless the price of coal got up to $30 a ton, the price of CO2 got up to $30 a ton. That's possible in a cap and trade system, it's possible with a carbon tax, but we felt it was very, very unlikely, under those systems that we would get to that level. So, what we recommend on this, to ensure that new plants are built with carbon capture and sequestration is that companies be mandated, required to build all of their new coal plants with the ability to capture and sequester and to actually start capturing and sequestering by a date certain. So we say that all plants should be built, starting next year, with the requirement that they capture and sequester, that they should be able to have their capture technology in place by 2013 and they should be sequestering by 2016. This ensures that all new plants do this. And we felt this was the only mechanism, well, one of the only mechanisms that ensures that going forward.

Monica Trauzzi: It really looks like the Hill is sort of leaning towards implementing a cap and trade system, so how is that going to affect clean coal technology?

Bob Sussman: We're not opposed to cap and trade systems. In fact, we think they have a very important role to play. I guess the phrase I would use would be they're necessary, but not sufficient to deal with new coal plants. Just as they're necessary, but not sufficient to deal with a number of other specific issues, such as vehicle emissions. So in our framework we would have a cap and trade program, that it would be limited to existing coal plants. And instead we would have an emission performance standard, which is basically a technology forcing emission reduction goal for new plants. And as Ken said, the reason for that is new plants represent a very significant source of additional emissions, particularly new coal plants. On the other hand, the price of carbon that we envision under a cap and trade program is not going to be high enough to cause new coal plants to install carbon capture and storage. And that's why we think we need an emission performance standard to get us there.

Monica Trauzzi: And another policy that you discuss is a low carbon portfolio. How would that come into play with clean coal?

Bob Sussman: Well, there are two different types of low carbon portfolio standards. There is one which has been advocated by Xcel Energy and Senator Norm Coleman of Minnesota. And basically the idea would be that all retail distributors of electricity would have to purchase a certain proportion of the power that they sell from low carbon emitting sources. And this is an interesting idea that may have a role to play, but there's really no certainty or even likelihood that under a low carbon portfolio standard developers of new coal plants will, in fact, install carbon capture and storage. They may do a number of other things to comply with the standard and yet still build uncontrolled coal plants.

Monica Trauzzi: The report says that building new coal-fired power plants would threaten all other efforts to combat global warming. Clean coal technology isn't exactly at a point where it could be implemented tomorrow, say IGCC. It still needs a lot of work. So how do we meet the U.S.'s increasing energy demands without damaging our efforts to reduce emissions?

Ken Berlin: We think that, after studying this very, very carefully, we think that clean coal technology for new plants is far enough along so that you can start saying that all new plants, starting next year, have to be built so that they adopt capture technology and that they can sequester. We recommend that plants that start construction, that it start construction next year, which means they'll be ready a number of years down the line. And we think that by 2013 or 2016 these plants will be able to capture and then sequester their CO2 emissions. So we think that you can build these plants. There will be a couple of years where they're sort of experimenting with getting everything exactly right, but they'll have it right by 2016. So we think that, in fact, they are ready to go forward and we think the evidence shows that. And we go into great detail on that in our report.

Monica Trauzzi: You're saying next year, is that feasible?

Bob Sussman: Well, that depends on Congress, obviously. I mean our goal would be to get an emission performance standard in place as soon as possible in order to send a very strong and a very clear signal to plant developers that carbon capture and storage is going to be required equipment and required technology on new coal plants. To come back to your question, I think, we feel the only way we're going to get to widespread deployment of carbon capture and storage technology is to set a very aggressive goal, to put in place a very clear timeframe, to provide a phased process and some flexibility in when we start capturing, but to leave no doubt that we're committed to capturing and storing CO2. And we think that will get the attention of the industry and it will focus the resources on putting in place the foundation for a carbon capture regime sooner rather than later.

Monica Trauzzi: Currently, what kind of incentives exists for companies to implement IGCC? I mean there's still reliability and efficiency drawbacks. The cost is 20 to 25 percent more. So why would companies want to do it?

Ken Berlin: I think there are a couple of reasons why they'll do it, and a lot of companies are doing it. There are 34 proposed IGCC plants now on the drawing board. That's only 20 percent of all the plants, so we don't think that's adequate, but there are 34 proposed plants. Some of those will capture and sequester, some of those are not planning to do that, but can be retrofitted to do it. The reason, I think, companies are building these plants now fit into several categories. One is that they're really hedging their bets against the future. I mean that's looking at it and saying, "We're going to be required to do this. Let's go ahead and do that now." There are some congressional incentives on it if you build these plants. They are not adequate for 35 plants. They'll work on a number of plants going forward, but they won't cover 35 plants out there. So, essentially, you're getting what you always get in the brand-new technology. You're getting early adopters essentially saying, "We're going to go ahead. We're going to take the risk with this technology. We're going to make the bet that there will be carbon controls down the line and, therefore, this will pay for itself." Again, the 20 to 25 percent additional costibility of the plant and there's additional costs in operating it also would go away, for example, if the price of carbon gets high enough, if it gets to $30 a ton. So on some of the plants some of the people are taking the bet. The problem is that not enough companies are doing that, we think, to really deal with the question of new plants and that's why we're proposing a mandate that they do it.

Monica Trauzzi: On congressional incentives, what more should we be seeing from the government?

Bob Sussman: Well, if we go ahead and commit to large-scale deployment of carbon capture and storage technology there's no doubt that we're going to be adding significant cost to the construction of coal plants and, therefore, significant increases in electricity rates for those ratepayers who receive power from those plants. That's a situation we need to address up front if we want to create a secure foundation for this technology going forward. The incentives and financial supports that are available now are not large enough, nor are they focused enough, to really mitigate the cost increases and the electricity cost hikes that we can expect when we start deploying carbon capture and storage technology on a large number of plants. So, what we need to do is we need to have a new incentive program which is specifically focused at mitigating those costs. The programs that we have now on clean coal technology do a number of things, but they don't really achieve that fundamental goal.

Ken Berlin: And there are two fundamental advantages of giving these kinds of incentives. One is that it will make it much more likely that people will be willing to build these plants going forward, rather than building traditional coal plants. And we're looking at an incentive that really covers the current price difference between building the two types of plants. The other advantage is, is that coal plants are concentrated in different parts of the country and there'd be disparate regional impacts from building these new coal plants unless there's some sort of national incentive out there. And we think, both for reasons of equity, because this is a nationwide program, and for political reasons, that we can't let these disparate regional impacts become significant going forward. And we would propose incentives that eliminate those essentially.

 

361 Postings, 6585 Tage northface84Warum schon wieder runter....

 
  
    #6600
1
08.06.07 09:21
... es muss doch auch mal hoch gehen..... *kopfschüttel*  

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